. >> host: >> guest: beenu mahmood was one of a group of pakistani france he had in new york. they shared with him sort of an international perspective which he lived in indonesia and his brother was there, he was searching for himself and comfortable with these guys. when he got in new york, they move their, he was the various to guy -- very astute guy. obama moved to new york to find his blackness but it didn't happen. president obama when i interviewed him in the oval office acknowledged he made no lasting african-american friends in his four years in new york. he was starting to make that transition in his search for home. that change was starting to happen and beenu mahmood perceptively saw that going on and took him to chicago. >> host: why did the president stay in new york after graduating from columbia? >> guest: wanted to get into community organizing. he actually applied for a job in chicago. he didn't get anything. the best he could do was stay in new york if. he didn't want to go back to honolulu. didn't have any place else so he stayed there and as he put it he t